{"id":10025659,"date":"2026-10-23T10:39:03","date_gmt":"2026-10-23T09:39:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/what-remains-when-everything-is-possible\/"},"modified":"2026-10-23T12:31:36","modified_gmt":"2026-10-23T11:31:36","slug":"mobility-mazda-kodo-design-philosophy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/en\/mobility-mazda-kodo-design-philosophy\/","title":{"rendered":"What remains when everything is possible?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"chapter_anleser\">In his role as Brand Style Manager Europe, Rapha\u00ebl Lesbats sees himself as a translator of <a href=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/zu-besuch-bei-automobildesigner-jo-stenuit\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Mazda\u2019s<\/a>\u00a0multifaceted <i>Kodo<\/i> design philosophy, rooted in Japanese aesthetics. At this year\u2019s edition of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.homofaber.com\/en\/biennial\/homofaber-2026\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i>Homo Faber Biennial: An Island of Light<\/i><\/a> in Venice, he spoke with <i>Chapter<\/i> about Europe\u2019s deep fascination with <a href=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/culture-artist-designer-isamu-noguchi\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Japanese culture<\/a> and the delicate task of communicating a consistent brand identity across every touchpoint. A conversation about the significance of cultural <a href=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/design-coverstory-jil-sander-interview-portrait\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">design principles<\/a> and their translation into a contemporary brand identity.<\/p>\n<p class=\"chapter_text\">Right at the beginning of our conversation, Rapha\u00ebl Lesbats makes it clear that his role is not about a nostalgic return to traditional philosophies. However, especially in an age of information overload and almost unlimited design possibilities, the question arises as to whether traditional principles should regain greater importance.<br \/>\nAgainst this backdrop, we want to know from Lesbats whether culturally anchored design principles can serve as a benchmark for <a href=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/dieter-rams\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">good design<\/a> today, when knowledge is available almost without restriction. He contextualizes this particular moment in our time as follows: \u00bbToday, we have access to an almost unlimited amount of information, but what becomes increasingly rare is meaning, clarity, and intent. Our philosophies provide enduring principles that help us distinguish what is essential. They remind us that good design is not about adding more, but about creating something that resonates deeply and naturally with people. At Mazda, our <em>Kodo<\/em>\u00a0 design language is a compass. It guides us toward authenticity, helping us create products that feel emotionally meaningful and human, even in a rapidly changing world.\u00ab<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-10025640 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light2-500x333.jpg\" alt=\"Mazda at the Homo Faber Biennial in Venice with a focus on Japanese design culture and Kodo design.\" width=\"1360\" height=\"906\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light2-500x333.jpg 500w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light2-100x67.jpg 100w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light2-770x513.jpg 770w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light2-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light2.jpg 1407w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light2-1155x770.jpg 1155w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light2-941x627.jpg 941w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light2-1326x884.jpg 1326w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light2-464x309.jpg 464w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light2-1320x880.jpg 1320w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light2-1149x766.jpg 1149w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1360px) 100vw, 1360px\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"chapter_text\">In his role as Brand Style Manager Europe, the aforementioned compass could be equated with cultural sensitivity. When asked whether the European perspective changes Far Eastern (design) philosophies at their core or rather makes something universal about good design visible that transcends cultural boundaries, Lesbats clearly places his own role at the service of mediation. For him, the challenge is always: How can these Japanese principles be translated visually and emotionally so that they also reach a European audience? \u00bbMy role is not to change the philosophy, but to translate it.\u00ab He points to the long-standing fascination with Japanese culture in Europe: \u00bbWhile our <em>Kodo<\/em>\u00a0 design language is rooted in Japanese aesthetics, Europe has long cultivated a strong fascination with Japanese culture. Whether through architecture, craftsmanship, gastronomy, design, fashion, or manga, many Europeans are already familiar with values that are central to our creative thinking: restraint, precision, respect for materials, and the beauty of simplicity.\u00ab For him, this cultural proximity creates an interesting dialogue. \u00bbPeople may not know the concepts of <em>Ma<\/em>\u00a0 or <em>Kaicho<\/em>\u00a0 by name, but they instinctively respond to what these principles express.\u00ab<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-10025656 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/023-mazda-homofaber2026-preview-lowres-500x334.jpg\" alt=\"Mazda at the Homo Faber Biennial in Venice with a focus on Japanese design culture and Kodo design.\" width=\"1361\" height=\"909\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/023-mazda-homofaber2026-preview-lowres-500x334.jpg 500w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/023-mazda-homofaber2026-preview-lowres-100x67.jpg 100w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/023-mazda-homofaber2026-preview-lowres-770x514.jpg 770w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/023-mazda-homofaber2026-preview-lowres-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/023-mazda-homofaber2026-preview-lowres.jpg 1407w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/023-mazda-homofaber2026-preview-lowres-1155x770.jpg 1155w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/023-mazda-homofaber2026-preview-lowres-941x628.jpg 941w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/023-mazda-homofaber2026-preview-lowres-464x310.jpg 464w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/023-mazda-homofaber2026-preview-lowres-1320x881.jpg 1320w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/023-mazda-homofaber2026-preview-lowres-1149x767.jpg 1149w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1361px) 100vw, 1361px\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"chapter_text\">For Lesbats, <em>Kodo<\/em>\u00a0 as a philosophy therefore extends far beyond vehicle design. It influences how an image is composed, how light and space are used, how rhythm is created, how stories are told, and ultimately, how Mazda consistently communicates its brand identity across all touchpoints. He cites a campaign for the Mazda <em>CX-6e<\/em>\u00a0 as an example, for which the team drew inspiration from film directors Yasujir\u014d Ozu and Jean-Luc Godard, among others. \u00bbWhat interested us was the dialogue between these two cinematic worlds: Ozu&#8217;s sensitivity to space, stillness and observation, and Godard&#8217;s visual freedom and striking compositions. Although very different, both offer lessons in how emotions can be communicated through framing, rhythm and visual restraint.\u00ab<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-10025650 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light7-500x334.jpg\" alt=\"Mazda at the Homo Faber Biennial in Venice with a focus on Japanese design culture and Kodo design.\" width=\"1397\" height=\"933\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light7-500x334.jpg 500w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light7-100x67.jpg 100w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light7-770x514.jpg 770w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light7-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light7.jpg 1407w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light7-1155x770.jpg 1155w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light7-941x628.jpg 941w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light7-464x310.jpg 464w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light7-1320x881.jpg 1320w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light7-1149x767.jpg 1149w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1397px) 100vw, 1397px\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"chapter_text\">The fact that this approach extends far beyond the immediate context of automotive design is also demonstrated by Mazda&#8217;s involvement in this year&#8217;s <em>Homo Faber Biennial: An Island of Light<\/em>. As a supporter of the <em>Biennale<\/em>\u00a0 and Country Sponsor Japan of the <em>Homo Faber Fellowship<\/em>, the brand is committed to Japanese craftsmanship and the transfer of knowledge between masters and a younger generation. The encounter with traditional craftsmanship offers Mazda the opportunity to focus on those design principles that are also decisive for the brand&#8217;s vehicle design. Lesbats comments: \u00bbAt first glance, the world of automotive design and the world of traditional craftsmanship may appear far apart. But they share the same foundation: a dedication to beauty, mastery of materials, attention to detail, and respect for the maker&#8217;s hand.\u00ab For him, <em>Homo Faber<\/em> c reates a special opportunity because it brings together some of the most talented craftspeople from all over the world. Combined with the special setting of Venice, he says, the exhibition thus becomes a place of exchange, inspiration, and dialogue between different creative disciplines. \u00bbFor visitors, but also for us as designers, this encounter is incredibly valuable. It reminds us that regardless of the medium we work with, the pursuit of excellence is often guided by the same principles.\u00ab<\/p>\n<p class=\"chapter_text\">At <em>Homo Faber<\/em>, Mazda communicated its connection to Japanese craftsmanship through <em>Kintsugi<\/em>, a centuries-old Japanese tradition in which broken ceramics are put back together with gold and a great deal of patience. \u00bbIt was an opportunity to show that behind every vehicle there is a long journey of craftsmanship, human sensitivity, and careful refinement, values that resonate deeply with the spirit of the <em>Biennale<\/em>.\u00ab<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-10025638 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light1-500x333.jpg\" alt=\"Mazda at the Homo Faber Biennial in Venice with a focus on Japanese design culture and Kodo design.\" width=\"1366\" height=\"910\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light1-500x333.jpg 500w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light1-100x67.jpg 100w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light1-770x513.jpg 770w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light1-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light1.jpg 1407w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light1-1155x770.jpg 1155w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light1-941x627.jpg 941w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light1-1326x884.jpg 1326w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light1-464x309.jpg 464w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light1-1320x880.jpg 1320w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light1-1149x766.jpg 1149w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1366px) 100vw, 1366px\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"chapter_text\">Alongside traditional principles and the transfer of artisanal knowledge, there are also the real, technologically highly complex developments of the modern automobile. Given the increasing pressure to think of vehicles as \u00bbcomputers on wheels,\u00ab we want to know how Mazda preserves the almost sculptural clarity of its <em>Kodo <\/em>design philosophy. Where is the line between meaningful innovation and visual noise? For Lesbats, technology should serve people without dominating their experience. \u00bbOne of the challenges facing designers today is that technology constantly offers new possibilities, but not every possibility creates value,\u00ab he says, describing the challenge, and continues: \u00bbAt Mazda, we try to start with the human experience and then determine which technologies genuinely enhance it.\u00ab For Lesbats, the clarity of the <em>Kodo <\/em>design language is based above all on design discipline. He describes the connection between simplicity and emotional impact as follows: \u00bbWe seek simplicity because we believe clarity creates a stronger emotional connection.\u00ab<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-10025644 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light4-500x334.jpg\" alt=\"Mazda at the Homo Faber Biennial in Venice with a focus on Japanese design culture and Kodo design.\" width=\"1332\" height=\"890\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light4-500x334.jpg 500w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light4-100x67.jpg 100w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light4-770x514.jpg 770w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light4-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light4.jpg 1407w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light4-464x310.jpg 464w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light4-941x628.jpg 941w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light4-1320x881.jpg 1320w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light4-1149x767.jpg 1149w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1332px) 100vw, 1332px\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"chapter_text\">What does he think will endure in the long term? \u00bbWhat will endure, in my opinion, is not any particular screen or software feature. What will endure is the human desire for beauty, harmony, and intuitive interaction. These are timeless qualities that technology should help express, rather than replace.\u00ab It stands to reason that traditional Japanese principles such as <em>Ma<\/em>, <em>Utsuroi<\/em>, and <em>Sori<\/em>, which underpin Mazda&#8217;s <em>Kodo<\/em> design philosophy, could become even more important for future generations of designers.<br \/>\nFinally, we ask Lesbats what significance these design principles based on perception and emotion can have for a generation of designers who grew up in the digital age. His answer clearly focuses on quality rather than quantity: \u00bbYoung designers today are surrounded by digital tools capable of generating almost infinite forms and solutions. In such an environment, the challenge is no longer the ability to create, but knowing what is worth creating. Japanese principles and philosophies provide a deeper understanding of rhythm, harmony, and emotion. They encourage designers to observe, reflect, and develop ideas that carry meaning rather than simply pursuing novelty.\u00ab<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-10025646 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light5-500x333.jpg\" alt=\"Mazda at the Homo Faber Biennial in Venice with a focus on Japanese design culture and Kodo design.\" width=\"1362\" height=\"907\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light5-500x333.jpg 500w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light5-100x67.jpg 100w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light5-770x513.jpg 770w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light5-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light5.jpg 1407w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light5-1155x770.jpg 1155w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light5-941x627.jpg 941w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light5-1326x884.jpg 1326w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light5-464x309.jpg 464w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light5-1320x880.jpg 1320w, https:\/\/chapter.digital\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/chapter-magazine-mazda-homo-faber-island-of-light5-1149x766.jpg 1149w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1362px) 100vw, 1362px\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"chapter_text\">In the age of artificial intelligence and almost unlimited design possibilities, Lesbats therefore sees the importance of human perception and experience continuing to grow. In the future, the ability of designers to give ideas meaning will be decisive. He concludes by putting it in a nutshell: \u00bbFor me, the true value of a designer will no longer be the ability to generate ideas, but the ability to give them meaning.\u00ab <i>[DM]<\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In his role as Brand Style Manager Europe, Rapha\u00ebl Lesbats sees himself as a translator of Mazda\u2019s\u00a0multifaceted Kodo design philosophy, rooted in Japanese aesthetics. At this year\u2019s edition of the Homo Faber Biennial: An Island of Light in Venice, he spoke with Chapter about Europe\u2019s deep fascination with Japanese culture and the delicate task of communicating a consistent brand identity across every touchpoint. A conversation about the significance of cultural design principles and their translation into a contemporary brand identity. 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